Former Knesset Speaker: AIPAC Fosters 'Near Treason' In American Jews
I keep a dual-loyalty file. Jews like myself who say that Zionism demands dual loyalty of American Jews. Today an addition: former Israeli Speaker of the Knesset, Avraham Burg, writing in Haaretz this week:
[Jonathan Pollard] and his handlers lived and plotted in the twilight zone of the complex loyalty of the Jews of the United States. Their basic premise was and still is that all Jews everywhere have dual loyalty - the loyalty of an American citizen to his homeland, and a much deeper, national-spiritual loyalty to the Jewish people and the State of Israel. For years, Israel officially fostered this snarled loyalty. It entangled and became entangled, plotted and spied. AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) - the Jewish lobby in Washington - is the bluntest conceptualization of institutionalizing near treason and turning it into an enormous octopus of a political mechanism with enormous dimensions and numerous victims.
Yes, Haaretz. Keep in mind, Walt and Mearsheimer denied that dual loyalty was at work, and were still called antisemites. Give this story ten years, it will be in the New York Times.
What do you think should be done with those who exhibit dual-loyalty or treason?
Posted by: Todd | April 30, 2008 at 10:35 PM
History will probably repeat for Jews and not just rhyme:
their experience in America may end as badly as it did in Spain, Germany and is ending in Russia.
They've learnt nothing and are determined not to.
Posted by: anon22 | April 30, 2008 at 11:28 PM
I think we've learned plenty. That's why it's good that Israel exists and that we have the 2nd amendment. So, when guys like anon22 decide to show up at my front door I'm ready.
Posted by: the Sword of Gideon | May 01, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Sorry about the spam but this is actually relevant.
"America is a woderful country, and it attracts hordes of immigrants, of all skin colors, races, religious beliefs, economic status...
Christians, moslems, jews, buddhists, atheists.
Mexicans, Irish, Poles, Brasilians, Tibetans.
A rich university student comes here to study advanced mathematics in a top US university and decides to settle here.
A poor Mexican comes here to get a job in a restaurant and to send some money back home to his family.
There is one thing that unites them - they are either first generation immigrants, or first generation Americans.
Which means that they (of course, it is a given) have patriotic feelings toward their country of origin, not their adopted country - the USA.
Dual loyalty is true of almost all national and ethnic groups.
Whether Mexicans, Poles, Russians, Irish, Jews, Chinese - whatever.
It is normal."
The thing is, this needs to be recognized as a common phenomenon and appropriate steps taken to prevent people with OBVIOUS dual loyalties in having influence or worse, positions in American government.
http://americangoy.blogspot.com/2008/04/dual-loyalty-another-example.html
Posted by: americangoy | May 01, 2008 at 12:59 AM
If an individual expresses loyalty to international law or the UN as primary jurisdiction, is that a dual loyalty contrasted with US interests?
If an Arab, a Palestinian, or an individual of Lebanese dissent (say Ralph Nader) expresses sympathy with the idea of security for Lebanese, but desires to serve in US administration, is that a dual loyalty?
If an individual bears a loyalty to his/her state or region, say New England or Alabama or Hawaii, should that disqualify him/her from serving in US administration?
Please be clear, complete, and consistent on this idea. Don't just single out a particular form of "dual loyalty".
Again, can you describe your transformation of attitudes from multiple loyalty, or a-loyalty, to "single" loyalty.
Posted by: Richard Witty | May 01, 2008 at 07:34 AM
Cases ONLY.
Posted by: Richard Witty | May 01, 2008 at 07:36 AM
Fact is: Dual loyalty brings up the older "state within the state" idea, pre Zionism. Which had its own reality connections in time and space.
Fact is too: IF the West has to fight the larger pan-Islamist threat/culture war and the Europeans have simply not woken up to the real danger scenario, then there is no dual loyalty issue. And Israel is simply the most important ally able to provide the necessary terrorism expertise. [What makes McCain, Addington, Cheney join neocon circles? ... why did Huntington follow Bernard Lewis traces on the Arab mind to provide ideological cover? The Clash of Cultures? 1993,96] . In the neocon mind there is no dual loyalty only a clash of cultures with Israel and the US on the axis of the good. [= a term the German *neocons* use for their propaganda network, were the left is turned into the real inheritors of the Nazis]
But yes, sometimes it is hard to accept what immense space the Nazis have managed to mentally occupy.
Google discovers a swastika-shaped building.
But then, Military base, Navi Seals?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93592462@N00/143053448/
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I'm sure the following will cause a collective sigh of relieve:
I'll shut up for a couple of weeks to read Norman Finkelstein, whose book so far, I could not touch due to his: The Holocaust Industry, which seemed to be celebrated on the right; by our Neo-Nazis too.
I WILL NOT find evidence however for this misguided statement, I am told:
Philip Weiss: "The other fascinating thing about this interview is Finkelstein's *new line* supporting the two-state solution and financial compensation to extinguish the right of return of Palestinian refugees."
Nothing new about the line it seems.
Again: Since Phil thinks that NF joined the mainstream on the two state solution only recently, he misses the important *signal function* of the Aaron David Miller = imbecile equation. Why does he use this harsh term? It definitively sticks out in the larger context.
http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/norman-finkelst.html
http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/17229
Posted by: LeaNder | May 01, 2008 at 08:22 AM
no other group sucks the usa dry to death to serve another country. only american jews do this. dont confuse mexicans or irish with this sort of 'dual loyalty'. jews in american maybe the world have only one loyalty. they use the country that they are in. note the death throes of usa at present.
Posted by: bondo | May 01, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Real simple.
Look at how all the congress people except RP cover Israel, right or wrong.
The American mass is asleep.
Posted by: Charles Keating | May 01, 2008 at 04:32 PM
"If an Arab, a Palestinian, or an individual of Lebanese dissent (say Ralph Nader) expresses sympathy with the idea of security for Lebanese, but desires to serve in US administration, is that a dual loyalty?"
Sure. To put the interests of a foreign country ahead of those of America is disloyal on its face. I don't know how people with conflicted loyalties can be trusted to make policy. America's former ambassador to Israel gave a speech the other day in which he said the most important thing about any presidential candidate is "how he stands on Israel." That's the problem with some American pro-Israel types. For them the only issue is Israel. Israel is a foreign country, not the polestar of American foreign policy. Arguments to the contrary not withstanding, Israel is not like Ireland or Italy. Neither of those countries get 30% of our foreign aid. Neither of them is demanding we bomb Iran on its behalf. Quit pretending that all Americans have divided loyalties. We don't.
Posted by: Duscany | May 02, 2008 at 12:31 AM